Dublin Muslim Community Center
The Muslim Community Center (MCC) of the East Bay will be breaking ground in east Dublin on a grand 3-acre project next to Fallon Middle School (and the future Springfield Montessori) within the next year or two. The 3-acre parcel was purchased from the Lin Family on August 30, 2007.
The 35,000 square foot facility will have these features:
- 9,000 sq. ft. community hall
- 5,000 sq. ft. prayer hall
- Teen center
- Senior center
- Community support offices
- Day care
- Sunday school
The MCC of the East Bay raised an additional $200K at its April 11th annual dinner to help begin the planning process with the City of Dublin.
11:23 PM on April 28th, 2009
As a resident of Sonata I can’t say I’m excited about this addition to the neighborhood. Is this a done deal or is there a venue for residents to voice concerns about the potential traffic, noise, parking, impact to property value, etc.?
4:50 AM on April 29th, 2009
Hi Sonata Resident – the 3-acre parcel has a designated use for public/semi-public, so that’s pretty much a done deal. However, this project will need to go through the standard planning process to evaluate concerns like traffic, noise, parking, etc.
Thx, John Z.
5:25 PM on April 29th, 2009
Hi all,
I’m a Walnut Creek-based blogger who has covered the issue of another religious-based organization’s plans to build a 66,000-square-foot center in a residential neighborhood, and it is creating quite a stink. The opponents are complaining about the size and look and say it’s out of character with the neighborhood. The religious group says they are being persecuted because of their religious beliefs, and also say they have federal law on their side, namely the 2000 Religious Land Use Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA). There is a whole history and trend nationwide of churches, which offer more than once a week worship centers, building large community centers. And neighbors getting mad about increased traffic, etc, and church groups claiming religious prejudice. These disputes can get ugly. I’m interested to see how this situation will play out. You can check out my stories at crazyinsuburbia.blogspot.com, and do a search on Sufism Reoriented.
I’ve been reading up on the RLUIPA law. Basically, courts have allowed it to override municipal zoning/planning concerns.
9:37 AM on May 1st, 2009
The beginning of the end. Enough said.
10:23 AM on May 1st, 2009
Hi Anonymous – I’m not sure what you mean…but I do ask that commenters focus on the issues and not personal beliefs, etc. Dublin is an inclusive community and it’s important that the comments on the Around Dublin blog reflect our community.
Thx, John Z.
11:34 AM on May 1st, 2009
Even though I hate large churches of any kind, and hate that this one is coming so close to a residential area where I have relatives, the thinly-veiled racist comment above should just be removed John- Some people will use online blogs/posts as a way to express their racists thoughts– No need to allow them to do that– Feel free to remove that post–
12:16 PM on May 1st, 2009
If you’re gonna be racist, you should also say “Wow, with the type of folks this is gonna bring in, I can’t wait to see how our test scores go up in our schools!” (’cause we know, statistically, the kids of these people will probably take school more serious than our kids..)
8:45 PM on May 1st, 2009
Really the focus should be away from race or culture. It is a very large community center smack dab in the middle of a residential neighborhood. I don’t know the details of this plan but given the size of it, there will be many Saturday night weddings and banquets, with drunk party goers loitering in the parking lot and urinating. Need an example, the Flamingo Banquet Hall in Central Fremont. At least 1 or maybe even more violent incident occur there each year. That is 1 more than the entire city of Dublin experience in one year, not to mention this is in a supposedly premier residential neighborhood of Dublin known as Dublin Ranch. The Flamingo in Fremont at least is in a Commercial area with few homes nearby.
A better use for public/semi public use of land is maybe library Annex to the main one at Civic Center, it would be a great compliment to Wells and adds a quality of life to residents in Dublin Ranch.
I am not against this project, I am against where it is being proposed.
I can’t blame the focus on race by other reader though since the name of the center is a religion/culture specific. It does not lend to the argument that it is a project that is for the community. If it is, then why even duplicate the future Emerald Glen Community Center? This project is too culture specific, the name itself saids it all.
The parcel is not place for this type of facility, in this magnitude. Whether it is Muslim, Buddist, Chritian, Catholic, Jewish or Hindu. It is the wrong place for it. It would be better located in a commercial area, maybe along Sierra Court or the Future Light Industrial area of Fallon Village.
This is the beginning of the end, not because it is a muslim center, it is because what problem it will bring to this mostly residential area of town.
Remember the name Flamingo Banquet Hall in Central Fremont. Do a search and you will find drunkeness, fist fights, stabbing and yes shootings between party goers.
9:40 AM on May 2nd, 2009
I agree with the opinion that the location makes no sense.A community center of any faith should not be placed in that location.It is on the outer edge of Dublin Ranch but still too close unless it is a center that anyone in the community can go to and use.
5:10 PM on May 2nd, 2009
I just bought in Sonata and Lennar made no mention of this project. They did however mention the Montessori School. I think we already have enough traffic with the schools. I hope we all make it to council meetings and voice our objections to more traffic and this project. Thx!
5:20 PM on May 2nd, 2009
I agree, the wrong project for that location– no matter what anyone says, there is always a possibility of changing this if enough people stand up and fight against this location– Every single homeowner in Dublin Ranch has a lot at stake so lets hope we get enough people to speak up at city hall-
7:20 PM on May 2nd, 2009
Nice looking building, WRONG PLACE!! Regardless of what faith something like this has no place being where it is proposed. I live in the upper part of Dublin Ranch but do feel for the residents of Sonata and the Courtyards. This building will loom like a six story building over the Courtyard homes since the elevation for the proposed site is so much higher.
It is time that our City Leaders stick their necks out and show some backbone and protect the residents.
First the boarding house in a Residential neighborhood and now this? Dublin Residents keep ending up on the wrong side of the fence. What next, a massage parlor, church, temple or a halfway house in the Golf Clubs?
3:36 PM on May 4th, 2009
John,
I am very excited about this project is moving forward. It is very reinforcing that Dublin has proved itself in supporting of multi cultural community. In addition, this new project will bring in a new group of people who will in turn bring up our local economy and housing demand.
However, I am very concerned about the architectural design. As an Architect, I personally think the design is a little awkward. The orginally intent may be be create a juxsipostion between the modern and trandition. However, flower feature is totally out of place. It does not play out strong enough to create an architectural impact. I hope there will be some revision with the final design.
4:41 PM on May 4th, 2009
There is only one thing I would like to see near the new Dublin Muslim Center – A Jewish Temple. Now that would show the world Dublin is a better place to live!
11:02 AM on May 5th, 2009
Lennar did not disclose this to any home buyers because it’s obviously not a selling point for most people. This basically proves they felt it was a turn off and it brings down the value in the area. Imagine if it was a library, a new park, a swim center or something else that’s for the whole community.
If you hadn’t heard, Lennar closed their sales office and halted all sales until the market turns around and they can sell the houses in the price range that they want. By the time they are ready to sell again, how will prospective buyers feel about buying with the Muslim Community Center as their backyard?
11:49 AM on May 5th, 2009
There are 2 parcels of vacant land that is next to Fallon school right now. Which parcel is the MCC being built on? The parcel that is on Brannigan or the one that is on Gleason?
As a resident of Sonata, I am concerned about the impact of additional traffic this community center will bring. Will the community center have enough parking to accommodate all of the cars attending events at the center? Even today, seems like whenever Fallon school has any kind of event, parking becomes an issue. With the addition of the community center, I see the problem just getting worse.
11:59 AM on May 5th, 2009
In response to the comment above about drunken party people loitering about all hours of the night and urinating in public.
You do realize that Muslims do not drink alcohol right. The religion does not allow it. Since this is going to be the Muslim community center, I doubt they would even allow alcohol on the premises.
11:11 PM on May 5th, 2009
Well you are right that this faith does not drink alcohol. Get real though as with banquets and wedding are they only going to rent out the center to Muslims? If that is true than it proves my point that this is not something that the entire community at large can enjoy. It is too specific to one group. You don’t need alcohol for fist fights, rowdiness, shootings, horn honking, party goers loitering in the parking lot and neighborhood streets, loud music etc…
1:04 AM on May 6th, 2009
It seems that with the many retail business closures in Dublin, a more suitable spot could be found for a this semi-commercial looking building to be placed. Couldn’t the city do a land swap and give them something closer to the BART station or the “downtown” area. It would seem to be a win-win situation if they did so. The people using the community center would have access to better transportation, and the residents of the current proposed area would not have this large imposing looking structure with all of its parking and crowd problems in the middle of their neighborhood. It would also mitigate the abandoned city look that having so many empty businesses give the city. I would rather look at this vibrant structure than an empty buildings and lots where Mervyns, Expo, Circuit City, National Food Labs, Toyota, GMC, or other closed businesses used to be.
10:17 AM on May 6th, 2009
I agree with Joe, there are many areas in Dublin that can use a good looking structure like this, just not in the middle of a residential neighborhood. Due to the difference in elevation, this building will look like a 6-8 story building looming over the homes of the Courtyard.
Regardless of what faith, this facility and its potential use does not belong there.
Maybe sell them the new Corporate Yard on Scarlett, perfect place near the Freeway and E. Dublin BART. The money could be used by the City to go back to square one in search of a site for the Corporate Yard. That 84 Lumber Site is better suited for a community center like this than a Corporate Yard. Here we can fix two potential planning flaws.
10:20 AM on May 6th, 2009
The Old Toyota Site is another option for either the Community Center or Corporate Yard. The Corporate Yard is Car/Truck centered use, no need to waste valuable land next to BART for the yard.
2:55 PM on May 7th, 2009
Alchohol, drunkeness, rowdiness and traffic has nothing to do with any certain faith. It has to do with the nature of the facility, regardless of what faith. A community center of this size regardless of faith will host many such dates a year, mostly in the evening. Why would City leaders do this to the Citizens of Dublin, to the homeowners who invested in Dublin by purchasing a home here instead of in a neighboring City? This facility should not be built in that location. Any facility in this location needs to be to the benefit and use of the community at large. Like a School, Daycare or Library. This faith specific community center is not for the use of the general inhabitants of Dublin Ranch, it is for the use of this particular group from far and beyond. I am strongly against this project regardless if it was a Muslim, Asian, White, African American, Jewish or whatever culture that is sponsoring it.
3:01 PM on May 7th, 2009
Why does the Lin Family feel the need to make off like bandits on every inch of Dublin Ranch? They are already filthy rich from what they’ve made already. Just leave that parcel as open space or donate it to the City to build a library someday or a linear trail/park. We don’t need to fill in every inch with asphalt, concrete, steel and stucco.
9:11 AM on May 8th, 2009
I’ve been looking to buy in the Sonata community and after seeing this, it feels like it would be very out of place for any religious center. Like others have said, I agree there would be better suited places for such a structure in other parts of Dublin. I’d have to push for a different location for this plan if I do move/buy out that way.
With the Montessori School and now this (I assume it would be built on the large space that is along Tassajara between Central and Gleason?), it would feel very commercial and less residential. What is the noise like now near the Sonata community?
2:08 PM on May 9th, 2009
If u show up to this place at a wedding n youre showing ANY skin (arms, legs), Muslims WILL protests n there could even be a shoot out!! That’s what they do in the middle east n they back it up that it’s okay bc the religion says it’s ok
9:16 PM on May 9th, 2009
So, I can understand that neighbors are always concerned and cautious about new venues. It was true when Churches, and Synagogues, and Temples, and other religious buildings were put in place in and around Dublin. For example, can you name a school, church, park, or other religious organization that doesn’t sit adjacent to a residential area? Maybe Crosswinds, but its about half a block from one. There will be no more after hour problems at the Muslim Center then at any of our churches, schools, Shannon Center, the Library, etc. after hours. Events will be handled just like weddings at Shannon Center or parties at our schools. It will become a part of the community with its assets and liabilities – no more. no less – although I think it will add a new set of morals and values to blend in with our other faiths. Muslims add value to every community they are in, or at least as good as any other faith.
Now, we should focus on real issues like parking which needs to be planned for, just as we have for commercial locations. Traffic control during competiting events with local schools needs to be addressed. I also think if the leaders of this center share what their plans for use are two things will happen – One, people will know, not guess, about its use. Two, I would be surprised if there wasn’t some sharing with other institutions.
9:23 PM on May 9th, 2009
Hi John Ledahl – excellent points about the Dublin MCC. Parking and traffic concerns will hopefully be front and center during the City planning process. As you noted, it would also be great if there could be a community communication outreach process between the Dublin MCC leadership team and the neighboring residents.
Thx, John Z.
1:13 AM on May 10th, 2009
Hmmmmm…. I have never heard of a “community center” that contains a 5000 sq. ft. prayer hall????? The folks over at the MCC may want to actually call this project what it really is…. Just a thought.
8:53 PM on October 12th, 2009
You couldn’t have said it better!
10:28 AM on October 13th, 2009
5000 sq. ft yoga/mediation studio…now that would be much more marketable. haha
1:20 AM on May 10th, 2009
Hey John Ledahl, You make some good points. Would you agree that two schools right next to each other do not exist in Dublin? Throw in the MCC and what does that bring to the parking and traffic table? Not a good fit, IMO.
3:31 PM on May 27th, 2009
To John Zukoski:
Without going into discussion about the project.
If you are an elected official in Dublin, which I think you are,
I’ll make sure I’ll cross your name on a ballot next time, if
this project is implemented.
Needless to say, I’ll forward this article to as many Dublin residents
as I can.
3:54 PM on May 27th, 2009
What is that all about. John Z. is not an elected official nor has anything to do with this project. He is just posting information about dublin on this blog for citizens to learn more about their City. Postings include services, announcements, up and coming projects, issues etc… He has nothing to do with whether this project will be approved or not. He is neither on the City Council nor on the Planning Commission nor an employee of the City. What are you talking about?
4:10 PM on May 27th, 2009
I hope you do forward this to as many Dublin residents as possible, so that they’ll all know how incredibly stupid you are. How could anyone read this blog and not know that John Zukoski isn’t an elected official?? Knowing who sits on the Dublin City Council is an easy Google search. Do your homework.
John Z WOULD’VE been on the City Council, because he got 3rd place and a spot was opened when Sbranti was elected Mayor. It was the jealous, emotionally charged decision of the City Council members to not appoint that seat to John Z., in one of the most reprehensible television moments I’ve ever seen.
How could anyone do anything but applaud the efforts of John and Jimmy. They do this blog for free, make no money from it, and spend hours per week on it simply because they care. The Council, especially Kevin Hart, does NOT care about Dublin residents. If they did, they would’ve appointed the guy who placed 3rd in voting (John Z) instead of blocking him because they see him as a threat to their positions.
4:15 PM on May 27th, 2009
By the looks of this artist rendering the mosque looks huge! Something like this should be in a commercial area and the impact wouldn’t be so great.
6:18 PM on May 27th, 2009
Hi Anonymous on May 27, 2009 3:31 PM – I appreciate your passion. However, I’m not sure what you’re passionate about. Is their an aspect about the Muslim Community Center project or article that you take issue with?
As noted by the considerate folks that responded to your comment earlier – I am not an elected official, nor do I play one on tv.
Thx, John Z.
9:37 AM on May 29th, 2009
I agree that this project would be an asset to the City of Dublin in furthering the divesification of cultures. It is just in the darn wrong place!! The landowner, developer or project owners should have done their homework and involved the community before going forward and making the land sale/acquisition for this project. Total disrepect of the residence of Dublin Ranch by disregarding/ignoring them completely, thinking that they are going to roll over much like our leaders do all the time for landowners and developers.
1:45 PM on May 29th, 2009
I was reading the beginning of the last comment in disbelief. Would you please explain how this project “would be an asset” to Dublin? Don’t you think that there is a better way of “diversification”?
4:03 PM on May 29th, 2009
Hey I get it that you are against this project regardless of where it is in Dublin. Is it due to a certain culture that will be using such a facility? I am not a Muslim but at the same time value diversity. In this particular location, whether it is a facility for Muslims, Buddhist, Christian, Catholics, Jewish etc.. I would be against it as it is in the wrong place. A facility like this of any faith should be in a more commercial area of town. If you want to base your argument against this facility based on prejudice you will lose big time. You need to focus on the facility being in the wrong location, not on what culture is using or proposing it.
I agree with the comment of May 29 at 9:37 AM.
To the last comment, you explain first why a Muslim facility is not good for Dublin if it is place in the right location and what is your idea of good diversification? All white Christians? I am a Christian myself but I sure don’t believe in white supremacy.
4:42 PM on May 29th, 2009
If the developer, owners of this project pushes this on Dublin Ranch Residence and Homeowners, they do their own culture an injustice. It will create the kind of unfair animosity and resentment towards Muslims. If this was a Buddhist or Jewish facility being pushed on these residence, the same unfair reaction would happen toward that faith or any faith pushing this. Homeowners and Residences who are already hurting with lost equity, now staring at an out of place facility that will for sure devalue their neighborhood/investment further will vent their anger towards whoever pushes such a facilty on them at this odd location.
My suggestion for the owners of this project, just walk away and look for another more suitable site. You will win more friends of all faith instead of turning more people against you, fair or unfair. People are mainly against your facility in this location, not against your faith but when residences get pushed and their livelyhood as at stake they will vent and turn their anger at anything/anyone involved with such a facility, including the faith.
Like I said before, this facility could add some needed diversity to the City but it needs to be in a better location. Not smack dab in the middle of a residential neighborhood. Focus on a commercial area of town closer to the freeways that could use some redevelopment with this new building.
Be the wise man/ woman and walk away, sell the land back to the Lins or hold it and sell it later to a user that would be more compatible for that location. Go find a better location that will create less resistence and anger towards your group.
7:51 PM on May 29th, 2009
If this were a Christian center the issue of religion/race wouldn’t even be brought up. Therefore it is racist in nature. Simple as that.
Protest based on parking or location, not on race or religion.
11:09 PM on May 29th, 2009
I agree with Anonymous @ May 29 7:51pm. If it were Christian or Catholic or Mormon, the only thing that would come up is the size of the structure or impacts to parking.
I believe that because the residents of Dublin Ranch have had no input on the placement of this building or even the school, I think both should not be built in DR. When I moved here in 2001, the master plan had only 2 schools in this part of DR — Fallon and Green. It did not have a place of worship, and the additional schools were Kolb and “E4″.
I personally don’t want a place of worship in DR. Do any of you see the traffic each Sunday going to the church near Costco in Livermore? Not only is the parking lot jam packed, but all of the streets are filled for the entire duration of the services. I certainly don’t want that in my neighborhood and not within 3-4 blocks of my home!
11:09 PM on May 29th, 2009
Please get educated, the correct term would be discriminating based on religion, not “racist”.
3:58 PM on May 30th, 2009
I think it is a very bad idea. It is the wrong building in the wrong place
1:02 PM on June 22nd, 2009
It is a sad sad day for traditional Dublin Neighborhoods if such a facility is allowed to be built in such an odd location. Wrong place my friends!! You may be welcomed as a neighbor but your facility is absolutely NOT.
7:20 AM on June 24th, 2009
Let the proper authorities take a decision in this regard. We can have some accomodation for our co-citizens. Please don't be emotional.
1:28 PM on July 2nd, 2009
Believe me, if you are a typical hard working American of Dubliner and have plucked down your life savings on a home in Sonata you have the right to be emotional. This type of development threatens that investment to the core. As a fellow Dublin Ranch Homeowner, I wouldn't want such a facility of this magnitude next to my home thus I don't want it happening to my fellow Dubliner. So I will stand beside them in unity against this project in this location. I hope and urge our Leaders to do the same.
This facility is better suited in a more commercial or industrial area of town. The Old Toyota Site would be great location near BART with sufficient freeway access. Access is important as this facility will for sure attract users from far beyond Dublin.
A couple of years ago leaders rejected the Korean proposal for a shopping center across from Sybase. One of the reason was that it will be a popular regional draw, bringing in an influx of additional cars that the roads cannot sufficiently handle, even in a commercial designated area. The Facility being planned next to Sonata will have the same regional draw, but this time it is right in the middle of a residential neighbor. So go figure!!
11:47 AM on July 3rd, 2009
With the recent track record of our leaders, considering the projects they've approved or disapproved at the dismay or residents and neighbors. The writing is on the wall thus I am getting emotional. I've lost faith in my elected leaders as I have not seen them stand up on high profile tough issues in favor of the residents.
Boarding House in Dublin Ranch, Wallis High Density, Schaefer Ranch smaller lot homes in place of Estate Homes, Subpar parking ratios for retails centers (Club Sport) to name a few. MCC and Regent's (Sorrento East) is next to go on this list that is not in the best interest of residents but in the best interest of landowners and developers.
Final approval of this Center is just a formality. It will pass with flying colors.
5:56 PM on July 3rd, 2009
Wow, so many ignorant comments in such a compact space.
Anyone who thinks there will be drunken parties and fistfights and shooting doesn't know anything outside their little world.
6:26 PM on July 3rd, 2009
I'm concern Sonata resident and at this stage what can we do? gather signature? protest? attorney? any suggestion?
6:34 PM on July 3rd, 2009
it may be a compact space but it's our home. If you like the center so much then post your address so we can suggest the city to build it next to your house. That way you can stop by and hang out during your evening walk.
the location of this community center is ridiculous!
6:36 PM on July 3rd, 2009
If you go around dublin or pleasanton or san ramon there are many churches in neighborhoods with homes right next to them. Is it the fact that it is a muslim church(mosque), or just a church in any neighborhood?
6:54 PM on July 3rd, 2009
I'm not going to post my address but don't worry, you'll find me at the community center during my evening walk anyway, not because it's built next to my house but because I plan to use it along with my husband, 5 year old, and baby.
And we don't drink, smoke, do drugs, or party. I've spent my life in and around these types of community centers in Southern California and I've never seen anything like that happen, ever. It's very peaceful and friendly, actually. And I'm sure it would not be rented out to drinkers and such any more than a synagogue would rent out a kosher kitchen for a pig roast.
This discussion would not be happening if this was a church. Who would be voicing concern that a Baptist Community Center would be rented out to drunks and partiers? Give me a break.
12:00 AM on July 4th, 2009
As I keep reading this blog. I am very disappointed that there are lots of racist in Dublin. Please move to Texas if you are one of those. We are in California, a melting pot in the world. That's why I moved all my money from Hong Kong to invest in here. I bought a condo at Elan. I would not mind if they build the mosque at the old Toyota Dublin. I believe that it will be beneficial to our community. Please refrain what I say. I have friends who are Muslims back in Hong Kong and here. I think some of them are more righteous than those who claim themselves other religions of majority. Please open up your heart to accept the differences. Regards,
1:31 AM on July 4th, 2009
Whoever posted above me… I don't think you are getting the picture. Since you own a Elan condo, would you like a Mosque built on Iron Horse Pkwy? That's how close the MCC will be to Sonata residents. If you can open your heart and accept that (and all the additional traffic that comes with it), then post again to affirm your position.
2:18 AM on July 4th, 2009
I'm a Sonata resident. My dad deserted Allah when he couldn't resist the seduction of pork, but that's a different story. I grew up with lamb soup from Mosque and I take pride of being a Muslim descendant, and I also enjoyed every season of 24. (my isha prayer goes to Jack Bauer's comeback so we can get a season 8!)
I have a question for those who have experiences with other MCC in Bay Area. Can you describe a typical weekend at a MCC? (e.g. what time you get there and leave, is it Sunday only or Saturday too) That will help us to determine what kind of traffic we will be expecting from the Dublin MCC if it actually makes it.
Hey did I see "Day Care" next to the nice architectural picture all the way on the top? Awesome I will send my baby boy there in a heart beat. And what if they reject Chinese baby? Then rest assure all aspects of legal actions will be taken against the very existence of this MCC.
4:08 PM on July 13th, 2009
It is just way too compact of a location surrounded by homes, not suitable for any such facility. Regardless of what faith this facility was for, I will stand beside my fellow Dublin neighbors against it. If this facility is eventually shoved down our throats, the facility’s owners will regret it for as long as that building is there, it will forever symbolize a feeling of hatred and resentment amongts its smaller neighbors. Why would anyone still want to invest millions to build such a facility that will be so contentious and forever unwanted. To me and my family, this facility is indeed welcomed in Dublin as with any other facility of any other faiths, just not there where it is being proposed. No I am not a biased home owner in Dublin Ranch saying not in my neighborhood, I happen to live in Central Dublin but is very concerned about the City setting a bad precedent of where such facilities are allowed to be built. A location closer to the freeways or BART would be more suitable. Maybe the lot where the two Ashton Place Apartment complexes have been proposed but on hold indefinitely (next to Elan and Camelia Place). That location can handle the extra traffic that a regional facility like this will likely draw as is within walking distance of the BART station. Someone earlier mentioned the Old Toyota Site, a great suggestion. Maybe even the Stoneridge Chrysler/Dodge site in Downtown when and (not if) they shutdown operations. Again close to freeway access and the West Dublin BART. The facility will bring in much needed traffic to a sleepy part of Downtown to help revitalize it after so many retailers have shut their doors. To be equal to East and West, maybe somewhere in Fallon Village where it is still plenty of undeveloped open land with freeway accesses.
I will extend my arms and welcome your facility myself if is at any of the suggested locations mentioned above or at any other locations that is more suitable than the current proposed location.
Listen to your neighbors in Dublin, please respect our strong opposition to this location regardless if zoning allows it or not.
5:22 PM on July 13th, 2009
You should go to the next City Council meeting on this issue to publicly voice your opposition or take other actions (such as collecting resident signatures on a petition letter etc). Otherwise, I doubt they will change anything about it.
12:56 PM on July 15th, 2009
Sonata Residence and Dublin Residence who share in opposition of this development in its proposed location must organize and be heard. Posting alone on this blog will not do it. Write to your Mayor and Council Members and to your Planning Commissioners. I suggest direct communication with the owners of this proposal too so they know of your opposition. Be respectful and productive, avoid racist or culturally targeted comments as you won’t get far and it could be counter productive and backfire on you.
There are many other more suitable sites for such a facility in Dublin. We need to work together and convince the decision makers of the same.
9:31 PM on July 19th, 2009
We are very happy to learn about Dublin Muslim community center, This will be a great reward for the Muslims at Dublin.
10:26 AM on August 21st, 2009
Uzma Shah wrote:
“We are very happy to learn about Dublin Muslim community center, This will be a great reward for the Muslims at Dublin.”
Honestly, I am a little put off by this comment. I hope Muslims aren’t seeing this as a “reward”, otherwise this may result in an elevated sense of entitlement and that their faith is “better” than others. All religions deserve equal rewards and recognition, not just the muslim faith. Muslims deserve no more, and most certainly no less, than any other religion.
This is one of the reasons why the MCC is causing such a stir.
11:06 AM on August 21st, 2009
Well said…
4:41 PM on August 21st, 2009
Considering there are dozens of Christian churches in the area, I don’t see how someone can deny a happy Muslim’s joy in having a home here in Dublin.
I am simply amazed at the narrow thinking here…
7:15 PM on August 21st, 2009
Not every Muslim is a terrorist…but nearly every terrorist is a Muslim.
8:26 PM on August 22nd, 2009
John wrote:
“Considering there are dozens of Christian churches in the area, I don’t see how someone can deny a happy Muslim’s joy in having a home here in Dublin.
I am simply amazed at the narrow thinking here…”
So if you’re a Christian, do you think you are being “rewarded” with a church or that you “deserve” a church? That is the narrow thinking.
Nobody is saying that Muslims shouldn’t have a place of worship – we just don’t want it in our backyards in Dublin Ranch.
1:14 PM on August 20th, 2009
9/11
5:17 PM on August 20th, 2009
When are you mentally deranged liberals going to wake up? Melting Pot? I think not. Take a look at what’s going on in Italy, France, and England (just to name a few)with all the problems they’re having with these Muslims. Do any of you follow current world news? Of course we wouldn’t be having this discussion if it was a Christian Church because we don’t see Christians strapping bombs to themselves on suicide missions.
4:37 PM on August 21st, 2009
Hey Frank,
Sounds like you are on a “Crusade” to me. People like you just never learn from history.
7:25 AM on August 25th, 2009
How many hundreds of years ago were the crusades? I’m dealing with what’s going on NOW. Please look at the website I listed and scroll down to the list of current happenings in the world:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
3:20 PM on August 25th, 2009
Support you! We do not want a Muslim community center in Dublin Ranch. They can find a more appropriate place for worship.
7:43 PM on August 20th, 2009
http://www.jihadwatch.com is an interesting site for people who
like to have a balanced view of the issues of today.
11:25 PM on August 20th, 2009
Thanks for the info. Yes, I’ve heard of Jihadwatch. Before any do-gooders respond, let me address the question of, “Are all Muslims terrorists? Of course not. However, most all terrorism in the world is being conducted by Muslims, wouldn’t you agree? There is something seriously wrong with a religion in which a huge percentage of followers “misinterpret” and “hijack” the teachings and spread their hatred. You don’t see this from Christians, Jews, or Buddhists, that’s for sure. When was the last time you heard of Christians saying, “Jesus says if you are a non believer you need to ‘die by the sword’?” I believe this is clearly spelled out in the Koran. Go talk to Salmon Rushdie to see how tolerant these people are. They treat women worse than I would treat a rodent. Their beliefs are completely anti-American. Do they believe in free speech? No. Do they believe in equality? No. However, forget all this if the facts are too confusing for you. They hate dogs! What else is a stronger indictment on a people than the fact that they hate “mans best friend.” However, maybe I’m a hypocrite because I love Middle Eastern food. Check out the kabobs at Sahara Market on Dublin Blvd. if you have a chance =)
11:07 AM on August 21st, 2009
I agree with what you have said…
4:51 PM on August 21st, 2009
Frank,
I am sure you cannot ignore cival wars via the Christians in Ireland, Hindus in India, Catholics (French) vs. atheists in Vietnam, etc. The thing that perpetuates hate is a statement like yours. There are dumb people in every faith. You for example…
8:19 AM on August 21st, 2009
Great site. This one is a great site to get a quick view of the daily happenings from our Muslim friends around the world:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
4:19 AM on August 22nd, 2009
Thank you, Sheikh Shaheed Satardien.
He invited me Lilita Dambrova (dambrova91@yahoo.com) to his college, the NCBA (National Business College) and then to Ideal Business College. I work in reception.
He was forgetting to pay for me once a month. I had to remind him about payment.
He wanted his workers to be fair, honest, descent and hard working. Some of the people who worked responsibility were vanishings, because you had to ask for your payment and not get it.
I worked at full force, responsibly and quickly. And in the end, he didn’t*not pay me last 1.5 month of work, saying that he had no money because he was organising a new college (that*it’s his business). After many times when I pleaded him, he paid me only 300 euro for 1.5 months. For me it was a negative experience.
8:02 AM on August 25th, 2009
Lilita I think that this is really ridiculous of you to post such a damaging comment which are all lies.
You know that you and I did not do any work but Dr Shaheed Satardien out of the kindness of his heart paid us for doing nothing. He gave to you and me everything that he could for doing nothing and you slander him like this? You should be ashamed of yourself. You are giving all those people who are talking against you Latvians the right to say that it is true. You Latvians are ridiculous. You should be ashamed of yourself to slander such a good man.
9:00 PM on October 11th, 2009
What does this post have anything to do with the subject at hand!!?!!
9:15 PM on October 11th, 2009
It would nice if just one time I could read something that would promote unity instead of disunity. How do any of you expect to raise children to be better than the generations of the past if you continue this vicious cycle of hatred? And don’t try to fool the rest us with your “it’s going to bring traffic” or “this is not the right location” crap. Your fear of the Muslim community shows quite clearly in all your comments. Even those of you who pretend to have compassion. The more you oppose such projects, the more threatening you are to others who in turn will have to find a way to protect themselves. Is this how you want to live? In constant fear? Don’t be stupid folks…there are all kinds of people living around us. The best thing for us to do is to educate ourselves about others. Not through the internet or some foolish Politician, but through making friends with our neighbors and co-workers. Just remember, that there are many more decent people in the world than “bad” people. Let’s not flip the ratio by our actions. Lastly, just be honest with yourself. If you feel like what you are really feeling can’t be said here, then rethink your thoughts. Are they going to bring unity or disunity?
7:48 AM on August 25th, 2009
Where is the money coming from to fund this project?
9:59 AM on August 25th, 2009
Hi Lilita,
You cannot speak English so how did you write this nonsense?
You are on the dole that is why Doctor Shaheed Satardien could not employ you.
His accountant told him that he cannot employ you and we were both there in the
Gresham Hotel that day.
He still paid you for doing nothing because he said “shame she lost her job and she
has a daughter”. I think that this is the Bahai hatred for the Muslims that you told us about
one day. You hate this great man because he is a Muslim. All Bahais do according to you.
10:04 AM on August 25th, 2009
Thank you Lilita for writing this.
This is good for him. This will teach him
a lesson because he does not want tp listen to
the other Muslims when they talk to him to leave
you Bahais alone with your intense hatred for Muslims.
He thinks tha he will achieve peace by working for understanding
and harmony with everybody.
You are the third Bahai that has done him harm.
That’s good for him. I hope he learns a lesson this time.
1:21 PM on August 25th, 2009
Hello All – I don’t know who Dr. Satardien is…however, it would be great if we could keep the comments focused on the actual Community Center and not on individuals, etc.
Thx, John Z.
2:28 PM on August 25th, 2009
Dr. Shaheed Satardien seems to be a prominent figure in Dubiln….Ireland. Please check out this article
Dublin imam takes on the fanatics for more on this figure. Thank you.
1:02 PM on October 15th, 2009
I think the bickering in the comments above highlights the degree of fanaticism that Dublin residents are worried about.
6:35 PM on August 26th, 2009
I think you folks should take your personal garbage off of this site and bicker on email or text or in person, not on a main information community site. This is not a third world village.
7:18 PM on September 6th, 2009
Asian Immigrants such as Chinese and Asian Indians began to move to Dublin, Pleasanton, San Ramon, parts of Livermore and other East Bay Inland communities. Because the MCC of the East Bay unvelied the Dublin Muslim community center, I think they might have began the demographic shift ( also known as “White Flight” that accelerates the Asian population) since late 2008.
7:32 PM on September 6th, 2009
What is your point? I am a Chinese. Most Chinese and Indians are not Muslims. We are talking about MCC here. I agree we should have religious freedom, but the location of this facility is not desirable.
9:42 AM on September 7th, 2009
I would hate to live in a home close to the facility. It’s going to increase traffic dramatically in the area as people will be dropping off and picking up kids during the week.
3:26 PM on September 7th, 2009
It won’t make much difference from the hundreds of SUV and family van lining up the street every school day for hours! As if kids walking or biking to school is something from the past now…
2:23 PM on September 9th, 2009
Ha! Yes, very good point.
7:48 PM on September 9th, 2009
To Anonymous @ 3:26 PM on 9/7:
You wrote, “It won’t make much difference from the hundreds of SUV and family van lining up the street every school day for hours!”
For hours? Are you serious? It’s only a 10 minute time period where there’s a traffic crunch to Fallon, but you’ll see that at many schools in the Tri Valley … Pleasanton and San Ramon are included too! Don’t turn the MCC thread into your “let’s get our kids to walk to school” platform.
1:02 PM on September 9th, 2009
The Around Dublin Team cannot find any corroborating documentation to support these claims made on 2009/09/06 at 7:18pm.
4:41 PM on September 9th, 2009
What you makes such a statement of supposition?
Unless you have evidence and facts that support the statement, then don’t post it. Your presumption is probably incorrect and could be due to many reasons.
10:32 AM on September 8th, 2009
The new Dublin Muslim Community Center near Fallon Middle School and the Springfield Daycare Center will help stimulate the Asian and Muslim population in the Tri Valley and the Diablo Valley especially in Dublin, Pleasanton, San Ramon and parts of Livermore so it will replicate the percentage of the Asian population of the Silicon Valley. Fallon Middle School will be the first school in Dublin to have the large Asian population in the school district. In the next decade, the Asian majority population will spread to West Dublin schools such as Dublin High and Wells Middle School. East Dublin may also plan to build two (possibly three) new High Schools and two new Middle schools on the existing site of Camp Parks, the future Wallis Ranch and Fallon Village possible when the stimulus money take a huge effect next year.
1:01 PM on September 9th, 2009
The Around Dublin Team cannot find any corroborating documentation to support these claims made on 2009/09/08 at 10:32am.
9:30 PM on September 9th, 2009
Is this just a bad joke posted to stir things up? This MCC isn’t real is it? Can someone from the city support these claims.
There is no way this makes sense from a location perspective and clearly it isn’t supported by the community. Why would anybody want to build a facility in a neighborhood that (based on these posts) is so passionately against it? It appears that close to 100% are against (not counting folks that agree and don’t post.) The MCC is like putting a car dealership in the middle of a bike trail; it just doesn’t fit. And if the MCC is for real – how could they not see this?
This must be bad humor.Please tell me that’s the case.
11:33 AM on September 15th, 2009
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_go_ot/us_nyc_terror
3:45 PM on September 18th, 2009
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090918_11_A11_Apopul517991
Yes, ain’t diversity great!
3:10 PM on September 20th, 2009
Today some neighbors and I were walking our kids back from “Day on the Glen” (which was great). There were four adults and four children. As we crossed Tassaraja heading back home we were almost hit by a car that decided to stop after the crosswalk instead of before. I bring this up for two reasons.
1) There are a lot of families crossing at this point between the park and homes and traffic is already pretty rough. 2) The addition of the MCC or anything like that (a facility that will increase the number of automobiles in this area buy a large quantity during days, nights, weekdays and weekends) will increase traffic, put families and their children at greater risk, and without a doubt we’ll start seeing accidents. Given that the MCC is already a very emotionally-charged political item with a massive opposition — this will likely manifest violently as soon as someone going to or from the MCC plows into some kids and kills them. I for one am not willing to put my family at risk just so I can be politically correct.
5:21 PM on September 24th, 2009
I agree, traffic is a primary concern as we will soon have a middle school and a Montessori School located adjacent to each other in a residential neighborhood (the Montessori school is under construction as we speak). Adding another facility will increase traffic and noise even more, and this will have a negative impact on the nearby residents, which will in turn lower their property value. I suggest everyone who has concerns contact the city council of Dublin (email/phone) and attend the city council meetings to express your concerns. Send emails and make phone calls! The traffic issue is the more easily digestible grievance vs. the “Muslim” issue. I will take on the Muslim extremist fight as I believe it’s vital to our American way of life. Good luck, fellow Infidels. -Frank
12:30 AM on October 3rd, 2009
I wonder if anyone from the MCC reads this blog. Do they not see how residents are so against this. And yet they still want to build here. Can anyone from MCC comment. Do they not listen to the wishes of residents.
10:12 PM on October 4th, 2009
I am not for the MCC, but if traffic is such a huge concern in that area why aren’t people more against building the Fallon Sports Park. That will probably generate more traffic than the MCC.
2:28 PM on October 9th, 2009
I’m not very happy with this project. With all respects to the Muslim community, they have to show why Dublin and why this location is their choice based on the Muslim demographic in the area, and how the location fits to access to the local Muslims.
12:08 AM on October 11th, 2009
This thread seems to be almost dead. But I am wondering how all these people who are opposed to this project can actually do something about it. I am not sure if you would be the right person to ask, but John Zukoski what would be the best way to show the disapproval for this project at its present proposed location and potentially get it moved to a more appropriate location in Dublin ?
6:21 AM on October 11th, 2009
Hi Anonymous – as with any project, the most effective approach to ensure that our voices are heard (whether we support or have concerns about a project) is for residents to reach out to the Mayor and Councilmembers to share their thoughts. Here’s the contact info for the Council:
http://www.ci.dublin.ca.us/DepartmentSub.cfm?PL=gov&SL=maycc
There will also be at least one public hearing for residents to voice their support or concerns once this project is further along in the planning stages.
Thx, John Z.
3:11 PM on October 12th, 2009
It would nice if just one time I could read something that would promote unity instead of disunity. How do any of you expect to raise children to be better than the generations of the past if you continue this vicious cycle of hatred? And don’t try to fool the rest us with your “it’s going to bring traffic” or “this is not the right location” crap. Your fear of the Muslim community shows quite clearly in all your comments. Even those of you who pretend to have compassion. The more you oppose such projects, the more threatening you are to others who in turn will have to find a way to protect themselves. Is this how you want to live? In constant fear? Don’t be stupid folks…there are all kinds of people living around us. The best thing for us to do is to educate ourselves about others. Not through the internet or some foolish Politician, but through making friends with our neighbors and co-workers. Just remember, that there are many more decent people in the world than “bad” people. Let’s not flip the ratio by our actions. Lastly, just be honest with yourself. If you feel like what you are really feeling can’t be said here, then rethink your thoughts. Are they going to bring unity or disunity?
12:16 AM on October 13th, 2009
At least, I did not say that (like “it’s going to bring traffic”, etc.). I’m just not happy with this project, and question the Muslim community why they chose Dublin to be the location of their community center. And, what others say is pretty much to find ways to express their disapproval of this project.
I sincerely do not think that the Muslim people are “bad” people. However, even for diversity perspective, this project seems really humongous, and could dwarf all other religious centers in the area. So, I question again why Dublin is the host of this large Muslim project.
Again, I would disapprove this project if the demographic in Dublin was not a good fit to this large Muslim project. It is not about hatred because I would do exactly the same for any other religious project, which is “for those religious people”, if that was not a fit.
11:05 AM on October 16th, 2009
I totally agree with you. I also disapprove this project.
7:38 PM on October 26th, 2009
how about — not building anything else in Dublin? It’s getting crowded as it is. I’m baffled at all the building going on. I don’t care if it’s houses or sports parks, or whatever. There is too much ‘stuff’ in Dublin and not enough space to do it all.
If you ask me, we should have stopped building stuff 5 yrs ago. If you stop building, there wouldn’t have to be a new high school, community center sports park, etc. clogging up all the darn streets and taking up all the parking.
11:24 PM on October 26th, 2009
Nonsense. Why don’t you move to Idaho or something if you think Dublin is built too much? To me, Dublin is still a very much under-developed city. There are still a lot of empty dirt patches around.
12:48 AM on November 11th, 2009
Why a muslim center specifically? Is the muslim community paying/donating towards the development of the city of Dublin in any way? Why not a Buddhist temple? Or a Hindu or Jewish temple? Or a Sikh Gurodwara? And/or a Church? Considering we have majority of Christian residents in Dublin (nothing for or against any religion)- shouldn’t we have more churches? A muslim community center and a mosque does sound odd location to be in Dublin.
3:00 PM on December 1st, 2009
ohh god.. this is not good at all. That will bring all the same kind of people around here and we will loose diversity of the whole east dublin….
10:13 AM on December 2nd, 2009
Probably the best course of action is that for any project that is related to a specific religious center over a certain size (like this huge Muslim community center in Dublin), it should require approval from the residents through voting. Again, it’s same for any religion, not specifically targeting the Islamic religion. If they can reduce the size of the project in a way that a conventional/acceptable scale mosque or community center can be built, there should not be any contest like this.
If anyone who is related to this project reads this blog and responses to this article, please be compassionate about the people in Dublin who are not Muslims. We care about the community, not trying to expel the whole Muslim community that we truly recognize in our neighborhood. However, bringing this humongous project into the city of this small size (yes, Dublin!) will more likely create less than desirable reactions from the residents. I believe that that’s not the effect that the Muslim community would like to establish.
4:53 PM on December 18th, 2009
I am not very happy with the project… A project of this size cannot bring any good to community
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11:48 PM on December 21st, 2009
For those opposed with the location isn’t this something that we can send off to PlanningCommission@ci.dublin.ca.us?/?
6:31 PM on December 28th, 2009
I spoke with the planning department today. They said that to their understanding the organization has reconsidered and are building in another community.
12:52 AM on December 29th, 2009
That is great. Thanks for your information.
7:38 PM on December 29th, 2009
Hi Anonymous,
No one at City Hall was able to confirm that the Muslim Community Center (MCC) of the East Bay has reconsidered their Dublin project. John will publish a follow-up article on this topic very soon. Please stay tuned. Thank you.
9:09 PM on December 29th, 2009
Talk to Jeri Ram.
9:48 AM on January 3rd, 2010
I was talking to some neighbors in the Sonata community today about this (the MCC deciding to build someplace else). Everyone was so excited; this is the best news we’ve heard about Dublin expansion projects in a long time. This project was really upsetting residents, and I’ve yet to find one that was in favor or even neutral to it.I hope the MCC finds a wonderful home in a more appropriate neighborhood.
12:55 PM on December 31st, 2009
how about just leaving the space open. Even the montesorri school is going to clog up the 580 and it’s already clogged.
8:58 PM on January 6th, 2010
What is the way to have public voice heard in this project. So that IF there is a majority this can be stopped. Seems like many (including myself) are very much against this. It needs to stopped cause its causing way too much displeasure amongst the residential communities.
1:22 PM on January 11th, 2010
FOOD FOR THOUGHT…..
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: “Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat”
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life..
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well..
Here’s how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 0..6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase
lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with
an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.
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I don’t know about you…but I am not comfortable with this. I have already seen evidences of this in Dublin. Many (not all) of the Middle Eastern Markets have their Halal signs in the windows. And you can clearly see their devotion to Islam by the way the women dress. Let’s not get trapped in the above examples. We should approach the city council and find a forum to express our views.
1:17 AM on January 13th, 2010
911
1:55 PM on March 1st, 2010
There is a lot of truth in the “Food for thought”, above.
Thanks for the summary.
10:42 AM on January 25th, 2010
ur statement about malaysia totally wrong \Anonymous
1:22 PM on January 11th, 2010\
we live in a harmony country with a multiracial communities ( u all should learn frm us)…..dun put untruth statement about us…..
12:52 PM on March 1st, 2010
Traffic is already a mess near Fallon and now the Montessori school is coming up too. This is not the place for a large MCC center, traffic is already clogged. Another complex that benefits the entire community will be useful. Is anyone doing anything (as regards petition) on approaching city council.
7:24 PM on March 13th, 2010
More food for thought.
These pictures are of Muslims marching through the STREETS OF LONDON during their recent ‘ Religion of Peace Demonstration. ‘
These pictures tell it all! Muslims have stated that England will be the first country they take over!
These are pictures not shown on American TV or in American Newspapers, but were forwarded by a Canadian who thought all Americans ought to know!
http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1C1CHMA_enUS367US368&sourceid=chrome&q=muslims%20protesting%20in%20London&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
11:21 PM on March 24th, 2010
so is this a dead deal yet? if not we just need to pound on it a little more until the owners come to their senses that this facility is not wanted in this location. Spending million to develop this building in defiance of local residents and neighbors would be irresponsible and poor use of member funds.