Comments on: Toll Brothers’ Case Against the Promenade – Fact vs. Fiction

By: John M. Zukoski

John M. Zukoski — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Hi Jordan – I didn’t know about the BBQ. I’ll check it out. The last BBQ hosted by Charter was really well run and informative.

Thx, John Z.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

John did you know that there is a barbeque at the promenade next weekend prior to the City council meeting the following week?
If anyone wants to get on the mailing list of the developer go to the “Grafton Plaza” website and ask for info. They keep you well informed on the goings on around the area

By: Jing Firmeza

Jing Firmeza — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

John;

You are probably right, if the history of this issue was due to the deposit and voiding of purchase. This thing may drag through the courts. From a personal point of view, I really would favor redoing the parking structure. You know my distaste for the East Dublin Parking structure. It looks like a Dublin landmark that would represent our city to 580 commuters for the rest of our lives. If Toll Bros, accepts this and go away, Promenade can proceed. Rejecting it and continue through the litigation, I don’t think they have anything to stand on. Deep pocket Toll Bros and their armada of attorneys may hold the project for a long time. Which could be costly for both sides. With the current economic situation, I am sure that Toll Bros cannot continue to spend more money and lose. They are probably most hurt by the housing market nowadays. My advice to the city council is to counter sue and Toll Bros. will go away with their tails spinning. They cannot afford a court decision that would cost them more money. But that parking structure has to go.

By: John M. Zukoski

John M. Zukoski — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Jing – one thing that I didn’t make as clear in this article as previous Promenade articles is that Toll Brothers couldn’t care less about the parking structure. They are using the parking structure argument as a way to hold up construction of the Promenade. Why would they do that? Please check out this article for background: http://www.arounddublinblog.com/2009/06/why-would-toll-brothers-sue-to-block/

Toll Brothers started construction at the Terraces with full knowledge that there would be a parking structure and that buildings could be as high as 70 feet tall. This was clearly written in the March 2000 planning documents that they reviewed prior to planning and building the Villages. They’ve been marketing the vision of the Promenade to clients for the past 5+ years and are only now expressing concerns about the parking structure. Why would they now all of a sudden raise these concerns? Why would they propose alternatives that they know cannot be implemented? Because it really isn’t about the parking structure.

Thx, John Z.

By: Jing Firmeza

Jing Firmeza — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

The parking structure is an eye sore. I agree with Toll Brothers. Promenade 2 is good for the community. Just take out the parking structure. This was my first impression about the parking structure. A costly underground parking is not the solution. I favor a wrap around parking structure that has commercial office or residential units on the outside of the parking structure. Ala Vegas casinos parking structures. The new casinos in Vegas (Wynn, New York, Venetian and more) does not have parking structures visible from the outside. Maybe 4 – 8 story high.